Talk:Australian Cattle Dog

Do your own research: Breed temperament

Suffice to say there's an industry behind most dog breeds now, with implicit bias and conflicted interest. The editors of the article are as tenacious (and here's a hint: aggressive) as the subject of the article -- in keeping it free from balance. The article is a singularly glowing assessment of the breed, written by lovers of the breed... for lovers of the breed. Suffice to say, a bit of research elsewhere, can reveal there's a more to the breed's temperament than the article suggests... or allows. A certain tension over this issue has gone on for years and gets scrubbed/retired regularly, including in the archives of this Talk page. Sigh. 842U (talk) 13:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, ACDs can be jerks - they regularly try to bite me at work (I am a veterinarian). Some are nice, some are not. I'm not sure specifically what you want included, but if there is well sourced information available that suggests a counterpoint to temperament that you feel should be included, I'd say include it with the citations. If it gets inappropriately removed repeatedly it can be replaced or an admin alerted to partially lock the article.. I'm not an expert on wiki procedures but we shouldn't be leaving out pertinent information because some people don't like it. Connor Long (talk) 17:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I gave up years ago. As soon as the article reflects balance, it gets scrubbed again to present a one-sided view. 842U (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Dingo ancestry should be included

Recently the breed's purported dingo ancestry was removed (previously it was stated tamed dingoes were used in establishing the breed). Is there some evidence this is not actually the case? AKC's site supports dingo ancestry, as does the prior Dog Named Blue citation that several contributors are in a tizzy over due to potential conflict of interest issues (I think the author of that book tried to edit the article even though she wasn't the one that added the citation - I'll leave that to the hardliners to keep posting conflicting wikipedia doctrine back at each other to the detriment of the actual article, as appears to be the time honored tradition. There is a discussion on the COI page, though I am confused as to what the plan/goal is for that discussion or if/how it will affect this topic).

I digress - point being, for regular folks who aren't particularly involved with ACDs, the dingo ancestry is basically the most interesting/notable thing about them, and should definitely be included in an encyclopedia article about them, unless there is debate about whether or not that is true. Do any fellow editors contest that dingo ancestry is true? Connor Long (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Robert Kaleski insisted that Thomas Hall crossed an imported working dog with dingo. No evidence supplied, but Kaleski, himself, and later ACD breeders remark on viciousness in dingo crosses. NoreenClark (talk) 02:52, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Article issues

There's several issues with the article that lead me to believe it wouldn't pass a featured article review - the use of self-published sources for many content claims, including life expectancy; and some guidebook/non-breed specific content on grooming.

I've updated the life expectancy to use data from a peer reviewed and independent study published this year, so that is no longer an issue. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@ 204.48.93.206 (talk) 19:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK content

Currently under the 'As pets' heading is content that goes against the WP:NOTGUIDEBOOK policy, specifically the grooming section and the training section. In addition the behaviour listed as natural Australian Cattle Dog behaviour is just generic dog behaviour that isn't breed specific.

I'm in favour of changing the two sections so they look like this:

Grooming Known as a "wash and wear" dog, the Australian Cattle Dog is not a year-round shedder but blows its coat once a year (twice in the case of intact females).

Training Like other working breeds, the Australian Cattle Dog is intelligent and responsive; both of these traits can be an advantage in training where a structured, varied program is used, but can lead to unwanted outcomes if training is not consistent, or is repetitive and boring for the dog. The Australian Cattle Dog is biddable, and responds well to training.

References

Traumnovelle (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Genealogy Breed Chart Draft

Hi,

This weekend I've put this chart together thanks to information that was laying around and looking into also rendering illustrations in order for it to make a nice poster eventually. So yeah let me know if this tree makes any sense or of there are bits that are incorrect, happy to make it as good as possible. Seems like my hound is the "older type" that was kept for work out country that was deregistered as they started infusing with Dalmatians and Kelpies in the 30s.

Would you guys like to have this one up on the page once it's locked in?

Here is the graph itself that can be edited directly on draw.io https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p3ILiNEHqDLFLcUSm5Ww9UbB_Z5jmA9w/view?usp=sharing

Here is a picture of it that I exported https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EeJLDqWSwNrt90RvbpraHKos2bCU5Qx_/view?usp=sharing

Cheers! Guilbrynski (talk) 05:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

If you want to add an image it'd first need to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons with you releasing the image under a suitable licence. The image is currently a bit hard to follow and figure out what starts where, although I don't know what specifically to do to improve that. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)